Six Max and Heads Up Rake
Last week we looked at the cost per 100 hands for the average player in Full Ring games. We've calculated the same numbers for Six-Max and Heads Up games below. You can also find all of this information in our new rake analysis section including rake statistics for Pot Limit Omaha games.
Six-max is significantly more expensive for each 100 hands you play than full ring. 100 hands of 50NL full ring costs $2.80 on poker stars where 100 hands of 50NL six max costs $4.23. Even though six max games are considered fishier, you must earn 1.5 more big blinds per 100 hands at six-max just to break even at stars 50NL.
Six Max NL Holdem
| Stakes | Cereus | Bodog | Cake | Full Tilt | iPoker | Party | Stars | Stars.fr |
| 2NL | $0.28 | $0.35 | $0.41 | $0.25 | €0.37 | |||
| 5NL | $0.56 | $0.64 | $0.77 | $0.66 | $0.42 | $0.52 | €0.82 | |
| 10NL | $1.33 | $1.31 | $1.42 | $1.48 | $1.44 | $1.07 | $1.02 | €1.60 |
| 25NL | $2.87 | $3.07 | $1.93 | $2.52 | $2.16 | $3.30 | $2.35 | €3.62 |
| 50NL | $7.96 | $6.11 | $4.06 | $4.47 | $4.49 | $5.53 | $4.23 | €6.49 |
| 100NL | $12.76 | $9.17 | $6.47 | $7.50 | $7.50 | $8.29 | $6.91 | €10.42 |
| 200NL | $17.51 | $13.13 | $10.53 | $11.13 | $11.47 | $12.45 | $10.02 | €15.88 |
| 400NL | $21.30 | $15.15 | $15.24 | $14.78 | $15.43 | $15.98 | $13.03 | €19.36 |
| 600NL | $18.12 | $17.11 | $16.77 | $17.23 | $17.81 | $14.37 | $15.49 | |
| 1000NL | $22.11 | $16.56 | $21.48 | $18.69 | $19.16 | $18.89 | $17.15 | €25.85 |
Head’s up games seem to fall in two price categories, those that have a special rake cap for HU games and those that do not. Full Tilt and Poker stars heads up games cost half as much as similar other limits due to capping the HU rake at $0.50. If you are playing HU on a site that does not cap those games differently you are paying significantly more than you need too.
Heads Up NL Holdem
| Stakes | Cereus | Bodog | Cake | Full Tilt | iPoker | Party | Stars | Stars.fr |
| 2NL | $0.62 | $0.57 | ||||||
| 5NL | $0.66 | $1.16 | ||||||
| 10NL | $1.85 | $1.60 | $2.62 | |||||
| 25NL | $3.00 | $3.90 | $2.87 | $3.30 | ||||
| 50NL | $5.00 | $6.82 | $5.00 | $4.45 | $6.30 | $6.11 | $4.49 | €8.22 |
| 100NL | $6.89 | $10.00 | $7.03 | $6.07 | $9.45 | $9.45 | $6.08 | €12.85 |
| 200NL | $8.66 | $14.38 | $8.59 | $7.37 | $13.32 | $12.83 | $7.69 | €17.56 |
| 400NL | $9.24 | $18.09 | $8.38 | $7.77 | $15.55 | $14.18 | $7.94 | €18.87 |
| 600NL | $14.17 | $9.11 | $8.07 | $16.85 | $15.48 | $7,92 | ||
| 1000NL | $13.56 | $8.44 | $7.69 | $16.64 | $15.62 | $8.32 | €19.47 |
Stay tuned as we analyze these numbers beyond simple average calculations.
would like you to include PLO
tyvm for analysis
pretty sure they dont take different %% rake in plo
no wonder im not playing nosebleeds yet, i gota make 10fn bbs/100 at nl10 just to break even
(8min w goldstar?) are poker sites really this expensive to run? How come durrrr doesn't start his own site and low ball these guys?. Maybe it costs alot to bribe government officials?
Would like to see this in BB/100, also would like to see limit holdem
yeah, PLO and limit would be good to... So sad for french players....
Well mention the rake structure properly before anything... A lot of this has to do with the size of the average pot. In fishy games where people like to splash around the size of the pots will be bigger than in reg games, and also more hands get to the flop so rake can be extracted by the poker room. So you might make some softer sites look bad when in fact they are golden.
Also to note that on FT you have the pot button so you can open 3.5x pre instead of just 3x so some pots will get bigger as opposed to for example Stars
Stars is definitely the best
Two things:
1. Can we see a plot of % winning players vs. rake. Probably a correlation
2. For everyone that's clamoring for poker legislation in the US, just look at what the French pay to play poker. Holy S***. Let's see how that cuts the number of winning players.
PS
i prefer pay more and play in "fishier" (lol, good to know...) 6 max games than fall sleep in nitty, dead card piece of shit 9 max games
I knew I had to quit party poker and move to ftp or stars, Now I'll do it.
High rake means more action
PLO and maybe rush by stakes would be nice...
it would be damn hard if italy would do the same like france, not meant to offend anyone, but..........
Gotta love that Bodog has 2x the rake as anyone else, but is the only site there that DOESN'T offer rakeback or FPPs.
make it for FIXED LIMIT !
now u know why all the supernovas play full ring.
for the micro limit, as nl5, is it better to play on PS instead of FTP even if we get 27% of RB ?
yes, stars is a bit better than FTP for play at nl2-nl10.
thanks for your answer, ill clear my bonus then go back on PS ;-)
wouldnt the rake be the same for PLO? am i missing something?
Ipoker does not have nl25?
neither does cake?
glad i get rake back;]
Article error: "100 hands of 50NL full ring costs $2.80 on poker stars where 100 hands of 50NL six max costs $4.23. Even though six max games are considered fishier, you must earn 1.5 more big blinds per 100 hands at six-max just to break even at stars 50NL. "
I think you mean 3 big blinds per 100 hands, the BB at 50nl is 50c. And 3bb is HUGELY ABSURD
it doesnt cost a lot. they just wanna take as much as they can from us
i play on bodog 25nl and it seems pretty expensive but then again players to flop is almost always over 50% do you think that is a factor? whats the players to flop %age on other sites?
did you substract in PartyPoker and Ultimatebet Bad Beat Jackpot? it kinda looks like you didnt