US Online Poker To Be Regulated?

Harry ReidA second draft of Harry Reid's internet poker bill began circulating Capitol Hill yesterday and it has the poker industry waiting breathlessly as the bill continues to take its form. The "Prohibition of Internet Gambling, Internet Poker Regulation and Strengthening UIGEA Act of 2010," is a bill with a monster of a title, and a piece of potential legislation with infinitely larger ramifications for poker players. It should be noted that I am not an attorney, and that the opinions of this article are just that, my interpretations of the bill and my personal opinions. It should also be noted that the bill is still being drafted, and while 2 drafts have come through, there is still likely to be many other drafts before it is enacted into law. But this is something that every poker player should have their eyes on given what it will mean for poker players in the years to come.

The bill was authored with intent to set up a licensing, regulatory and tax framework for fully legal online poker in the United States. The second draft of the bill has some significant changes, and it should be noted that the bill is still being worked on. However copies are being disseminated among members of congress today. The bill addresses a great number of concerning items including first and foremost, companies operating major online poker sites and wishing to offer online poker as an option to U.S. residents would now be required to apply for a license from a state or tribal gaming authority that has been qualified by the Commerce Department to issue licenses. The licenses granted by the Commerce Department will be issued in 5-year terms. While the prospect of having a fully legal and regulated online poker community brings great joy to U.S. Poker Players, it may come with some huge sacrifices.

Something that has drawn the largest point of concern for the current online poker community is that the bill expressly states that the initial licenses cannot be issued until at least 15 months after the bill is passed into law. This means that online poker operators such as PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker, which have offered internet poker in the U.S. prior to the issuance of this bill, would be required to immediately cease their unlicensed activities once the bill is enacted, and within 30 days, return all customer deposits. What this basically means is that if the bill passes in its current form, there would be NO legal internet poker offered in the U.S. for a period of 15 months.

There have been several penalties imposed for the sites should they choose to operate within the 15 month prohibition in violation of the new bill. The fines for the site include a 5-year prison sentencing, in addition to a $1,000,000 per day penalty for operating without a license, which makes it highly unlikely that the major online sites would continue to operate with their sites available to U.S. residents within the first 15 months of the law being enacted should it go through.

The bill makes it even more difficult for the major online sites to obtain a license as the bill includes another giant hurdle for companies wishing to gain access to the U.S. poker community. According to the bill, for a period of two years from issuance of the first license, licenses can only be issued to applicants who have either:

1) owned or operated a casino or race track
2) manufactured and supplied slot machines to casinos for at least 5 years prior to the passage of the bill.

A casino is defined as a facility that “hosts 500 or more gaming devices in one physical location pursuant to a duly authorized license issued by a state or Tribal gaming regulatory authority.” Basically, the bill has been authored to favor the U.S. Casino interests at the expense of the overseas online poker sites. While some have said that the second draft of the bill excludes this provision, it does not. What this basically means is that there could be a 39 month period in which sites like PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker would be unable to provide real-money poker games to U.S. players. There have been rumors of a loophole whereby companies like PokerStars or Full Tilt Poker could sell their companies to a casino to avoid this 2 year prohibition, however section 118(c)(2) is explicit that a license can’t issue to any person that “purchased or acquired directly through an affiliate or intermediary, in whole or in significant part” any person who owned a U.S. facing site prior to the Act. There needs to be some clarity given on whether or not this is in fact a loophole, as there could be potential partnerships with sites for land based casinos. Regardless, it still will not circumvent the 15 month period mentioned above, leaving sites like PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker shut out of the U.S. Market for at a minimum a period of 15 to 39 months.

Another key point in the bill includes an opt-in/opt-out ability given to the States and Indian Tribes which will allow licensees to operate in their jurisdiction. There are currently 35 states which do not permit live commercial poker that may opt-in, as well as the 15 current states which do allow it having the ability to opt-out. States can change their status at any time by giving 60 days notice to the Secretary of Commerce. This basically means that online poker may be offered in some states, but not in others.

The bill has a long way to go before it can even be thought about being passed. It’s not likely going to go to a floor vote in the House of Representatives and the Senate because there simply isn’t enough time left in the session, especially considering that there are so many other more pressing issues. However, it is possible that the bill could get tacked onto a “must-pass” piece of legislation in much the same way that the UIGEA was tacked onto the SAFE Port Act.

For those that remember, the SAFE Port Act, which was designed to improve U.S. port security passed in the House of Representatives by a vote of 421-2, in May 2006, and by the Senate by a vote of 98-0 in September 2006. But the UIGEA was not tacked onto the bill at that time. What happens in the U.S. legislative process is unique, in that once both houses have passed a bill, the version of that bill must be 100% identical in all respects. In most cases, that doesn’t happen because slight changes are made when the bill gets passed between the two houses. When this happens, a bicameral conference is convened to basically iron out the differences, and create a uniform version of the bill for the Senate and the House. They then submit a Conference Report back to each chamber with the final approved identical version of the bill which each chamber must pass again. That’s what happened with the SAFE Port Act, and was where the UIGEA came into play, as it was tacked on to the bottom of the SAFE Port Act by the conference. Both Houses approved the Conference Report basically as a formality, and the UIGEA was passed into law.

If Harry Reid’s internet poker bill will be passed, most likely it will be tacked onto something by the bicameral conference. At the moment the Bush tax cut extension certainly serves as the ideal piece to get it through. What this means is that we won’t likely know for certain if a tack-on is going to happen when the floor votes, but rather we’d likely discover it once the final Conference Report is submitted and approved.



Comments

  1. polkaqueen
    polkaqueen on 12/07/2010 4:47 p.m.

    The President needs our votes in 2012 and we should all make it clear to him that we want Online Poker to be OKd by him. If I was President that's the 1st thing I would do!

  2. pokereide
    pokereide on 12/07/2010 5:12 p.m.

    That is why you are never going to be a President.

  3. TasteMyNutss
    TasteMyNutss on 12/07/2010 5:14 p.m.

    News? How about Isildur1 signs to poker stars!? I'm sure everyone would want to read that.

  4. HollarinHoes
    HollarinHoes on 12/07/2010 5:15 p.m.

    And good thing you're not...because this country has many more significant problems than making online poker legal.

  5. treynotsongz
    treynotsongz on 12/07/2010 5:17 p.m.

    To all my fellow online poker players, whether or not you understood everything you just read in the above article, it basically means that anyone who plays poker online will be screwed if this bill gets passed to this extent. Also the people who are trying to pass this bill are forcing online poker sites like FULLTILT, POKERSTARS, to merge with the land based giants like Harrah's and Trump. The most significant part of the bill I think is the fact that if and when this bill gets passed, the "licenses" that online poker sites need to operate legally will not be issued to them until 15 months after the bill gets passed! This means no online poker for 15 months! If you really care about online poker we need to come together and tell Washington how we feel. Bottom line.

  6. musicman1023
    musicman1023 on 12/07/2010 6:16 p.m.

    This law should have been passed a long time ago. For American players On line poker needs to be regulated under US law just like the land based Casinos.
    When this law is passed you will get a fair game as the number generators won’t be programmed for action to maximize rake. It might be slow and boring at times but that’s how live poker is, a lot of the stuff you see on line is BS. Hopefully they will eliminate the 15 months waiting period , it is not fair to punish people who play on line especially those who make a living doing it. As for Stars and Tilt , as I have posted prior they are going to be Toast in this country. I cant wait to see the major casinos get in the action. Ultimately this will be a great move for on line poker.

  7. maltliqa
    maltliqa on 12/07/2010 6:36 p.m.

    There not trying to get FULLTILT TO Merge with AMERICAN CASINO's... IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE YOU WOULD SEE THAT THEY WERE SAYING IN ORDER FOR FULLTILT OR POKERSTARS TO CONTINUE TO RUN THERE SITE IN U.S. MARKET, THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO OPERATE A FULL CASINO FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME...(5 YEARS)... AS A REQUIREMENT.. THEY WERE SAYING THERE MY BE A LOOP HOLE BECAUSE FULLTILT COULD SELL THERE COMPANY TO A CASINO AND RUN UNDER THE CASINO'S NAME SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT

  8. opacity
    opacity on 12/07/2010 6:46 p.m.

    This is an atrocious bill. I'm ashamed to have ever supported the PPA if this is the best they could get. The status quo is significantly better than the fragmented player pool that the online poker market will be reduced to if this ever becomes law. If we get a 15mo ban then fml.

  9. emilyeisel
    emilyeisel on 12/07/2010 6:56 p.m.

    +1 opacity

  10. MarteneL
    MarteneL on 12/07/2010 6:56 p.m.

    Why is everything okay if a casino is involved? What difference is does that make in looking at online poker as legal or not?

    it's like the US Gov't is saying, "oh, so you guys own a casino where people can come in and truly gamble all of their money away at various games with little or no odds to win? Dang, why didn't you say so? That makes everything so much more legit."

    I guess it's just easier for them to regulate the businesses that way.

  11. agent008t
    agent008t on 12/07/2010 6:59 p.m.

    What the hell, have they nothing better to do in Washington than create MORE pointless regulations? Online poker is a voluntary service provided for consenting adults, what the hell does the government have to do with any of this? It's none of their business.

  12. Donkey_Tax
    Donkey_Tax on 12/07/2010 7 p.m.

    $^$%&* Harry Reid, only won b/c his #%$@ son is the Clark County commisioner here in Vegas... he went from being a significant underdog in THREE seperate polls for weeks leading up to election day then magically shot ahead like 4 points!?!? its been quoted as the largest discrepency/change since these polls have been utilized...

  13. raizorsedge
    raizorsedge on 12/07/2010 7:18 p.m.

    Leave online poker alone! Dont let any politician fool u into thinking "Legalizing online poker" helps us, the players. the gov't should be searching for clean homegrown energy like Natural Gas and Oil, not trying to tax our games and livelihoods. We do not want the govt's "protection" we want to be left alone.

    the gov't is trying to bully its way into a monopoly in online poker

  14. musicman1023
    musicman1023 on 12/07/2010 7:23 p.m.

    Some of you people are so ignorant. If it makes you feel good having an off shore company run an unregulated industry then best of luck to you. It is gambling – if land based casinos in the US are regulated under US law then it makes perfect sense that off shore online operations be regulated under the same rules. I am surprised it has taken so long for lawmakers to move on this.

  15. thailer
    thailer on 12/07/2010 7:42 p.m.

    Sorry that I can't get excited about this. I have been a PPA supporter of this issue for 3 years but now that we are "getting our way" I feel like I would rather keep things the way they are. What purpose does the 15-39 months serve other than to punish FT and PS and the current US based players that have been using both sites?

  16. KoldShadow
    KoldShadow on 12/07/2010 7:46 p.m.

    As huge as this story is, Isildur1 signing with TeamPokerStars Pro is much bigger news. Even though the foundation of this article is potentially the biggest thing to happen in online poker, Izzy trading the second-most volumed online poker site for the king (with lots less cash game action) is monumental. Still, no downplaying the congress/U.S. land-based casino collusive legislation headed our way. Heh, I planned on making up my live play losses online in the next 5 years . . . guess it'll take 8 (at least)! Maybe I should try and get some hot booty instead? LMA0 X-D

  17. snackcheck
    snackcheck on 12/07/2010 8:25 p.m.

    tl;dr

  18. WillyC1978
    WillyC1978 on 12/07/2010 9:24 p.m.

    Sounds to me like the US government doesn't like all their $ going to sites that aren't US owned. Lock everyone else out the market for a bit to establish the US sites with a US player base before letting the others try to catch up. As most sites seem to have some kind of base in British Crown Dependencies maybe the UK government should get their noses in and explain the idea of free markets to the US government.

  19. ANGLAHEL
    ANGLAHEL on 12/07/2010 9:31 p.m.

    I want everyone to call there local politicians and complain, this is not china, they cannot tell me what internet site I can go too.

  20. mastermower
    mastermower on 12/07/2010 9:32 p.m.

    Any decent poker player should realize what's going on here. THERE IS NO REASON THERE SHOULD BE A 15 MONTH BAN. A player should then ask themselves.... "why are they doing that". Only thing I can think of, is they will ban saying everything will be legit in 15 months, then in 14 months they will change it to.. nope we changes are minds.. it's banned for good.

    Good luck trying to get a site up and running with a good player base after it's been down for over a year.

  21. Adas Mania
    Adas Mania on 12/07/2010 9:41 p.m.

    motherfukers lol at that noob b!tch for trying to ban online poker for 15 monts and also fuk online poker being legal cause its hilarious that its illegal and everyone still plays it and tell everyone on tv that they play it for real money. also those motherfukers just wanna tax our asses

  22. exigentsky
    exigentsky on 12/07/2010 10:36 p.m.

    This will kill poker traffic since it will only be limited to the US. Plus, states like CA want to opt out so players from their will only play with others in the state. This needs to improve a lot.

  23. fuckgeorgew
    fuckgeorgew on 12/07/2010 10:45 p.m.

    what opacity said

  24. ACEvivKING
    ACEvivKING on 12/07/2010 11:22 p.m.

    Why is everyone worried? Its illegal now. We play all the time. If stars gave a sht about what the U.S. says they would have already banned us. The only thing that will change is there will be some new sites to play on.

  25. czglory
    czglory on 12/08/2010 12:01 a.m.

    America! Land of the FREEEEEE

  26. pokergoat
    pokergoat on 12/08/2010 12:54 a.m.

    Not sure what to think about this. I was like everyone and had hopes of a bill for the people. We are getting a bill for the casinos. 8% rake, here we come.

  27. bob2007
    bob2007 on 12/08/2010 1:37 a.m.

    US Casinos will have a landbased monopoly over internet poker.

    Only the casinos are ok with this bs deal, nobody else would be. If it wasn't that they purposely timed this so late with this bs Lame duck f*ck. Supporters of the PPA would actually shoot this piece of shit down AND the casinos would have to reneg to better of the bill to the rest of us.

  28. Read Ishmael
    Read Ishmael on 12/08/2010 1:52 a.m.

    Muthafuckin govt. trying to get there cut of money. What is the purpose of the 15 month delay? for the application, come on. Common sense would be nice, but they dress it up as regulation for the consumers, instead of what it is. It's the same reason they will regulate and legalize marijuana too.

  29. flapjack1270
    flapjack1270 on 12/08/2010 2:16 a.m.

    I wonder what will happen to money in our accounts during these 15 months... ?

  30. OlRustyRobot
    OlRustyRobot on 12/08/2010 2:17 a.m.

    get some real jobs, people.

  31. Fantar the troll
    Fantar the troll on 12/08/2010 2:31 a.m.

    I think we should all meet in Washington and protest. I mean, together we might still have a chance to stop this absurd and outrageous law.
    What about next week? 15 december?
    I'll be there, if PTR pays our flight tickets.

  32. Broot
    Broot on 12/08/2010 4:50 a.m.

    how can one man have such a great influence on millions fates? get him killed, and minus problem.

  33. hasufly
    hasufly on 12/08/2010 7:49 a.m.

    im happy to live in germany, we also have some regulation related problems, but our politicans would never be so cheeky and impudent to patronize the people in that way and more important they would never rape the freedom of spending my money.

    i dont understand why the US ppl dont protest in strongest terms against this cutting of the personal freedom. and i dont refer to the pokerpeople only. this is absolutly not imaginable in europe what US ppl let the goverment do. for my personal pokerlife, its also sad that the playerpool is shrunk, but life goes on. but again, i would never sit at home, if the goverment cutting my rights.

  34. hasufly
    hasufly on 12/08/2010 7:50 a.m.

    and what i forgot to mention, poker is a part of the social life and history for america.

  35. duncanthicket
    duncanthicket on 12/08/2010 8:30 a.m.

    yanks are so dumb. america will be a third world country in 50 years so be glad your alive now

  36. spudd69
    spudd69 on 12/08/2010 9:21 a.m.

    Opacity and others. Your argument is highly flawed because it makes a poor fundamental assumption. That the status quo would continue. It most certainly would not.

  37. TheGizmo
    TheGizmo on 12/08/2010 9:41 a.m.

    So basically someone got paid off to give monopoly of the business to the vegas casinos. I wonder who that might be! *sigh* The blackout period makes no sense whatsoever except to screw people over so someone can make some cash.

  38. realdesertkickin
    realdesertkickin on 12/08/2010 9:53 a.m.

    Dont worry, the online poker world wont let us down..They'll come up with a way we can play..just as they have
    We're masters of circumvention, manipulation, and capitalism...So are the payment processors..
    Talk about a game of incomplete information? Uncle Sam is the craziest most unreadable player..And he prints his own cards as he needs them..

  39. PSS
    PSS on 12/08/2010 10:10 a.m.

    whats the problem, guys? pokerstars and fulltilt may come to offshore zones and continue their business from there.. or they may be closed in America, but online pokergiants never dissapear!

  40. moon7777
    moon7777 on 12/08/2010 12:03 p.m.

    Players need to be protected, casinos have assets , so they will operate within the law, PS and FT just need to figure out how to work in the system, without waiting 15 months, noboby wants to wait that long.

    Main thing is how are we going to get all the overseas players to stay playing too in the th US , I am sure they all want to continure to play here somehow, and we players want a site that has a lot of players with money, lol

  41. DWPKRLVR
    DWPKRLVR on 12/08/2010 12:09 p.m.

    pokereide avatar pokereide says:
    December 7, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    That is why you are never going to be a President.

    pokereide, I must admit, that was funny as hell

  42. DWPKRLVR
    DWPKRLVR on 12/08/2010 12:14 p.m.

    pokereide, I must admit, that was funny as hell!! This is all about whoever is lobbying Congress - Harrah's, the Indian casinos, etc - will get the online poker licenses or force the existing companies to merge with them. It is always about the money!!! The lobbyist that pays the most are going to get their way (as long as it is politically palatable).

  43. MrThomasMoyes
    MrThomasMoyes on 12/08/2010 12:23 p.m.

    Land of the Free? you're having a laugh!!

  44. Legadzo
    Legadzo on 12/08/2010 3:08 p.m.

    Can some please explain to me why there must be a 15 month "ban" on online poker for US players if the bill is passed.

    I mean, isn't the bill making online poker legal/regulated in USA?

    So why a 15 month ban? Why not a a 46.8 week ban?

    What is the importance of this "ban" period, and why is it necessary for this bill?

    It seems to me, and my little understanding of USA and its politics, that this ban period is counter active to what the bill is trying to accomplish. ty ty

  45. TXShawnTX
    TXShawnTX on 12/08/2010 3:16 p.m.

    Just a couple of thoughts:

    1. The 15 months, or longer, ban will not kill us. PS and FT will just start up temporary companies with no provable links to them. We'll all start playing on "Poker Galaxy" and "Full Bet" poker. Once the time frame runs its course, "Poker Galaxy" and "Full Bet" will be outlawed in the states, but PS and FT will be open doors again. It'll be amazing how easy it will be to transfer your money from "Poker Galaxy" to PS! :)

    2. PS and FT will need to enlist a U.S. casino manager, "someone who operates a casino", to open a new company to get them up and running. This is similar to what the mob did when they wanted to move into Vegas and couldn't get a gaming license themselves (see the movie "Casino").

    Yes, it's all a pain in the ass. In the end, we'll still have our online poker and I'll bet PS and FT will be getting most of that action, although it may be under a different name.

  46. scoobeedoo
    scoobeedoo on 12/08/2010 3:18 p.m.

    If this bill is passed we can all be sure of one thing.

    The rake will be going up to 10% instead of the 5% we now pay.

  47. scoobeedoo
    scoobeedoo on 12/08/2010 3:25 p.m.

    It also seems pretty obvious this legislation is being drafted based on the existing land based casino's getting what they want by their lobbyists and the political pay offs to politicians.

    They want the independent competition destroyed so they can monopolize the market.

  48. musicman1023
    musicman1023 on 12/08/2010 4:13 p.m.

    US land based Casinos should be lobbying for this bill. They have to adhere to strict license requirements. So why should some off shore On Line site be exempt?? I want to see someone explain that one. On the other hand don’t bother trying because you can’t. Based on the posts many of you are truly clueless, but then my guess is most of you are too young or undereducated to know better.
    TXSHawnTX – your theories on how Tilt and Stars will be able to work around this law are interesting however they will not be successful . The agency that will oversee this will have controls in place so it won’t happen.

  49. DirtyRiverAA
    DirtyRiverAA on 12/08/2010 5:03 p.m.

    whatever happens if u believe that this gets passed thru a lot of the online grinders will seek out Casinos to play. Own Las Vegas Sands/Wynn or MGM stocks. nuff said.

  50. Aquadougs
    Aquadougs on 12/08/2010 5:25 p.m.

    tl;dr

    cliffs?

  51. 24802
    24802 on 12/08/2010 5:45 p.m.

    lol forget MGM stock, i got lvs($1.67) and wynn($26.25)got rid of most of my mutual funds and hit a home run!!! and have had it for 2 years!!! i always belived in Vegas, that said, compitition is never a bad thing for the consumer, but things will be very different, forget about rackback, it will be replaced with comps to get you in the doors of a real casino,forget about micro's the small game will be $1-$2nl, for get about H.U.Ds , no way will the big boys let you track there customers(lol). i doubt that they will even let you muli table. this will be a very good thing for the life time live players, but the new school on line players who have never even seen a casino will not like the new landscape at all, the big boys have way too much at stake to play any funny games or let the PokerStars and Full Tilts grab away there potential customers. it will be the best clean poker on the internet if it happens and i hope it does.

  52. etponehome
    etponehome on 12/08/2010 5:49 p.m.

    Shame on Pokerstars/Full Tilt for not being more aggressive in their lobbying efforts. Obviously the land based casinos State-side cut better deals with some corrupt and/or ignorant congressmen. Now I have another reason to resent tribal casinos, charity rooms, horse tracks, Las Vegas. (the prior reason was the disgusting amount I've lost playing thier devilishly fun games... : ( )

  53. jamesgav19
    jamesgav19 on 12/08/2010 6:30 p.m.

    I'm pretty concerned about this and I'm an English grinder. How can your government get away with this? It's like banning alcohol or pornography. Mental... Taking away peoples livelihoods is NOT on!

  54. ooda
    ooda on 12/08/2010 6:47 p.m.

    Would non US residents still be able to play on stars/ftp? I know stars is American based but if the bill passes and they just accept that they can't operate in the U.S, would they then move off shore so at least they can operate in the rest of the world?

  55. oVerRider
    oVerRider on 12/08/2010 7:12 p.m.

    PokerStars is Isle of Man based.

  56. PaulyFrowny
    PaulyFrowny on 12/08/2010 8:06 p.m.

    Move to Australia

  57. troy01
    troy01 on 12/08/2010 11:11 p.m.

    this is fantastic, finally someone has noticed that this online fruad must be stopped. FUCK POKER

  58. andrzejm
    andrzejm on 12/09/2010 12:47 a.m.

    ^ lol

  59. polkaqueen
    polkaqueen on 12/09/2010 3:05 a.m.

    ya I live with my friend out here in Las Vegas now. Im 26 and you know what you can forget MGM stock, i got lvs($1.67) and wynn($26.25)got rid of most of my mutual funds and hit a home run!!! and have had it for 2 years!!! i always belived in Vegas, that said, compitition is never a bad thing for the consumer, but things will be very different, forget about rackback, it will be replaced with comps to get you in the doors of a real casino,forget about micro’s the small game will be $1-$2nl, for get about H.U.Ds , no way will the big boys let you track there customers(lol). i doubt that they will even let you muli table. this will be a very good thing for the life time live players, but the new school on line players who have never even seen a casino will not like the new landscape at all, the big boys have way too much at stake to play any funny games or let the PokerStars and Full Tilts grab away there potential customers. it will be the best clean poker on the internet if it happens and i hope it does

  60. drafman
    drafman on 12/09/2010 3:12 a.m.

    Full Tilt and Pokerstars better rush to their knees and cut infrastructure deals with some casino's or get on their horses and buy some casinos soon or they will be vaporized in the U.S.

  61. musicman1023
    musicman1023 on 12/09/2010 3:09 p.m.

    Stars and Tilt will be finished in the US as they should be.
    On line poker is like a slot machine – it’s a computer generated game that is set up to maximize rake and profits. Those of you who do not play live will never understand this because all you know is on line poker. Some of you guys need to get into a real poker room to see how the game is supposed to be. Most of the the crap that happens on line is total BS.

  62. reefpoo
    reefpoo on 12/09/2010 10:10 p.m.

    lol @ 'poker is rigged' crowd

  63. stevooo
    stevooo on 12/10/2010 1:59 a.m.

    USA = pathetic

  64. jaessik
    jaessik on 12/10/2010 3:49 a.m.

    if this happens than have fun all you live grinders :)

  65. jxa
    jxa on 12/10/2010 4:55 a.m.

    Freedom of the individual stands to get gets another kick in the teeth...

  66. drew.30
    drew.30 on 12/10/2010 11:15 a.m.

    Forget mgm stock? They would be the one of the top 2 or 3 players with bellagio/mirage. Just because its not lvs or wynn doesnt mean its not a good company.

    Gotta love tools who know nothing about the stock market but whether or not their "mutual" fund goes up. LOL

  67. polkaqueen
    polkaqueen on 12/10/2010 12:13 p.m.

    Learn about the Market. And then you can talk.

  68. drew.30
    drew.30 on 12/10/2010 3:25 p.m.

    Im a financial analyst.

    What now?

  69. drew.30
    drew.30 on 12/10/2010 3:26 p.m.

    Im really not going to learn a whole lot more. But truth be told, I do know more than you. Go ahead, call me names and act like an imbicile.

    Thats what were all expecting.

  70. polkaqueen
    polkaqueen on 12/10/2010 4:48 p.m.

    LMAO You're obviously NOT a Financial Analyst by profession. That may be your self proclaimed title when your enjoying your hobby reading the Wall Street Journal but after reading the garbage you posted you're obviously just trolling. I'm not a Finacial Analyst either. But at least I don't pretend to be. But I know my stuff. Ok ROOK?! OWNED! And I would looove to play you on the tables but I doubt you play the stakes I do. You're probably a 10 cent turbo player!! LMFAO LOSERRRRRRRR

  71. KoldShadow
    KoldShadow on 12/10/2010 9:58 p.m.

    Polkaqueen, when you squawk, we all know it ain't truth . . . I'll get you duct taped, then butt raped, and thrown off a roof! I've been waiting to play your punk tranny a$$, where do you play and what's your name there? Why do you have multiple PTR accounts, too? Just remember, if you don't give me the info I requested, what I said in the first line of this comment will cum to pass . . . in your punk tranny a$$. Just wanted to make that clear.

  72. drew.30
    drew.30 on 12/10/2010 10:03 p.m.

    Doesnt take long to out white trailer trash :)

    I guess I should tell my employer to stop paying me every two weeks since the trailer trash told me I wasnt employed. LOL

  73. drew.30
    drew.30 on 12/10/2010 10:06 p.m.

    And again...

    Trailer trash will act like an internet tough guy in 3...2....1...

  74. 69mustang302
    69mustang302 on 12/10/2010 10:37 p.m.

    Whether you believe online poker is rigged or not, this proposed bill is; A) Bad for non-American online poker players in that there will be a greatly reduced player pool and, B) Really bad for American online poker players.

    If this article is accurate and the current proposed bill passes into law without any further modification, this is terrible news for everyone in the online poker community.

    We should do everything we can to make sure this proposed bill in this form doesn't become a law.

  75. musicman1023
    musicman1023 on 12/12/2010 12:56 a.m.

    Simple question. Does anyone here really believe you get a 100 % true and fair game on line ?? I will post the first answer – Absolutely not.
    How can something that uses a random number generator be truly random and fair in an off shore unregulated industry ? I played my final game today paid game on Stars . I have some FPP points left and will use them and be done with on line poker until it is regulated and licensed in the US. I have a more enjoyable game at the Casinos.

  76. da_knack
    da_knack on 12/13/2010 3:33 a.m.

    I'm really sick and tired of all the "online poker is rigged" crowd. Its funny because it seems as though online poker happens to be rigged for those players who are actually skilled and work on their game. LOL @ these morons!

    And btw, there really has to be a better way to fight back against this bill other then calling a few congressman and writing them letters. They only listen to dollar amounts and nothing more. If anyone has any better ideas of fighting back please let us all know, because we definitely do need to do something about this. And all non-u.s. players need to get involved as well because this will hurt you guys too, considering all the u.s. pool of players you will lose out on.

  77. musicman1023
    musicman1023 on 12/13/2010 5:29 p.m.

    The bill will pass and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it
    You can lobby all you want to your congressmen but it will do little good. Hopefully the 15 month delay for licensing will be repealed, that way all the people who actually make a living playing on line can continue to do so. I am fine with this legislation putting the screws to on line poker sites but I am against them doing to the players.
    Knack – I never said it was rigged , but there is no way you will convince me that the number generator is not programmed to maximize rake and profits. The only fair game you can currently get is a live game. I doubt you play live poker, if you did you would understand.

  78. 24802
    24802 on 12/14/2010 1:16 p.m.

    drew.30 go ahead and buy MGM(lol) you obviously have no idea at all what is going on,MGM declaired bankrupty(chapter11) the cream of the crop is LVS and WYNN, they make more profit in asia than in Las Vegas,then you embarrass your self by naming the Bellagio and the Mirage!! that is all MGM!! MGM owns the Bellagio and Mirage!! City Center has wiped out MGM's cash flow, they gambled and lost with the condo market. you call me the (tool) and you say one of the top 3 (stocks) along with Bellagio and Mirage!(lol) ITS ALL THE SAME STOCK YOU KNUCKLEHEAD!!! your quote (they would be one of the top three along with Bellagio and Mirage) go buy some TRUMP along with your MGM. you can have your (-29%) profit margin MGM good luck, you will need it!!

  79. polkaqueen
    polkaqueen on 12/14/2010 11:01 p.m.

    I allready schooled drew on that. Don't bother with him though because hes obviously just some immature dumb kid that knows about the MArket

  80. polkaqueen
    polkaqueen on 12/14/2010 11:01 p.m.

    *squat* about the Market

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